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spamtastic :	(Today, 12:22 AM) guy doesn't give you any breaks, don't give any back. That's just racing. Intentionally taking someone out like Carl did isn't racing, and if Nascar wants to live on that "drama", it's just all the more reason not to watch.
spamtastic :	(Today, 12:18 AM) I think there is a difference in intentionally wrecking someone and just treating someone the way they treated you and not give them a break.
Bassman :	(Today, 12:00 AM) I guarantee you I would have been suspended from TNT if I would have done that! Shit, I make Carl look like a child when it came to being in trouble!
The Gasman :	(Yesterday, 11:05 PM) The druggies are coming out of the woodworks.
wlecount :	(Yesterday, 11:03 PM) Wonderful news tonight, if we continue to use our gas range it will kill us! Damn thing is 4 months old and I had noticed the smell from natural gas. Had to call Vectren in to check it and the guy was dumbfounded how quickly the CO2 level rose and it wasn't burning all the gas. Time to get some bitching on to Frigidaire!
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 10:43 PM) Nascar on Facebook is just been unreal. People are really nuts... and very rude..... lol
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 10:13 PM) Jeremy Mayfield's former brother in law, suspended today for violating NASCAR's substance abuse policy...hmmm
wlecount :	(Yesterday, 09:42 PM) Well rwheele I hope your yard looks like shit!
Minted Llama :	(Yesterday, 09:26 PM) wreck might have been worse if K didn't turn over.
Minted Llama :	(Yesterday, 09:24 PM) Im glad he wasn't suspended. Fueds are interesting and it would suck for these guys to be afraid to have a Montoya/Stewart moment. Although I think it's also clear that now these guys are going to be a little more tactful and not do it at 195mph in a dogleg where (lowes arca race) drivers have been killed hitting that angled wall.
rwheele :	(Yesterday, 09:10 PM) By emailing his sponsors.
rwheele :	(Yesterday, 09:09 PM) I can penalize him.
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 08:58 PM) Just to clarify something, I don't care for him (Or Keselowski) or Penske Racing and Roush/Fenway Racing. And I think NASCAR made a poor decision today in not penalizing him. I just disagreed with a suspension in this case.
spamtastic :	(Yesterday, 08:57 PM) The only way you can defend Edwards is to look at who was involved rather than what happened. Which is otherwise known as bias.
rwheele :	(Yesterday, 08:51 PM) But this guy coulda killed someone and it's ok. I won't be buying Scott's products and I'm considering emailing them telling them such.
rwheele :	(Yesterday, 08:49 PM) There'd be fucking 14 screen caps supporting their argument.
rwheele :	(Yesterday, 08:48 PM) I question any of the Edwards defenders. I bet every one would want him suspended for a week from the league or whatever if this were online.
spamtastic :	(Yesterday, 08:16 PM) Pathetic on Nascar. Sometimes I wonder if they are just bored and want to see how much bullshit than push out and still get people to watch. I've seen more consistent officiating/rule following in profesional wrestling. Atleast then the ref has the common courtesy to pretend he didn't see it or know about it.
wlecount :	(Yesterday, 08:07 PM) I do heavily agree that they need to take a stand on these deliberate wrecks, especially these pit maneuver type spins. What ever happened to getting next to a guy and slamming doors, now they just want to give them alittle rear loving and spin them out of the way. Too afraid to damage the car they're driving. If your gonna get payback, do it like Scott Speed did two years back in ARCA and destroy both cars. http://tinylink.com/?J4weena9rm
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 07:55 PM) Penalize him while letting others get away with it in the past like Denny Hamlin sends a different message to me that tells the drivers that you're most likely going to be safe intentionally wrecking someone as long as the 1/100th chance of it being a spectacular wreck doesn't happen. Pretty good odds are that the next person that gets turned around on a fast speedway isn't going to be going for a flight. I think NASCAR should've heavily penalized him with points and a monetary fine while clarifying their stance from here on out that such incidents will result in suspension. Then they can be somewhat consistent with past instances like Homestead while still setting a new precedent for the future that hopefully deters such stupidity from surfacing again on a fast oval while hitting Edwards where it hurts with the loss of points that he's probably going to be desperate for by the Fall.
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 07:41 PM) That is a good point, tj. A couple years ago Robby was in a shit-fan for throwing out a piece of frame padding to draw a caution.
B24S :	(Yesterday, 07:38 PM) I guess the only thing you can say in Nascar's defense is that as of this season they claim they are going to be more hands off. Now, whether or not the penalty in this case makes any sense or not (I personally think it warranted a suspension) they are going to have to be consistent with it, seems like a bad precedent to me, because like you guys said what is there to stop them from wrecking whoever they want whenever they want.
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 07:26 PM) Bob Pockrass brings up a good point. Wonder what the penalty will be for spinning yourself out to cause a caution of throwing something on the track to do the same. Because what Carl did intentionally brought out a caution too (and his intent was a lot worse)....
Bassman :	(Yesterday, 06:50 PM) yup
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 06:49 PM) 25 points, $10,000 for saying "shit"
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 06:44 PM) Didn't they once penalize Jr. points for saying "shit" in victory lane?
Bassman :	(Yesterday, 06:42 PM) yea cant say "shit" but can purposely wreck a guy and down 160 laps
wlecount :	(Yesterday, 06:42 PM) I personally didn't think they should suspend him, but I do believe they need to make it clear that this type of wrecking will not be tolerated. They told them to have at it and that's exactly what 1 driver did. They need to now make it clear that intentional wrecking like this will result in a suspension. Much like I discussed after the wreck happened was "why the hell is this car flying like this?", and for once they are concerned about the right thing. Or atleast part of the issue.
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 06:41 PM) I've seen worse penalties for foul language or pushing another driver in the pits.
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 06:31 PM) i posted on this facebook and got blasted. lol
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 06:30 PM) http://www.facebook....!/NASCAR?ref=ts
Heimdall :	(Yesterday, 06:02 PM) There's a lot I could say, but frankly, Nascar isn't worth the discussion anymore.
The Gasman :	(Yesterday, 06:02 PM) You can be the instigator..
rhamm :	(Yesterday, 06:00 PM) Can I join iRacing to become an intentional wrecker?
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:59 PM) Hope so, There are some guys in iRacing I have to pay back (and told one guy not to go crying when I wreck his ass)
Peyton_1816 :	(Yesterday, 05:58 PM) NASCAR Really is like NR2003 now, will iRacing update the sporting code with this information
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:57 PM) If I'm Brad, I wreck Carl in practice on Lap 1
Peyton_1816 :	(Yesterday, 05:57 PM) double secret probation
Peyton_1816 :	(Yesterday, 05:57 PM) I can see it now in the chase Jimmy gets taken out...just because have at it boys
The Gasman :	(Yesterday, 05:57 PM) I bet if he did something again he would be on double probation.
Peyton_1816 :	(Yesterday, 05:56 PM) No, shit with the lack of penalty you can pretty much just take whoever you want out
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 05:55 PM) If I am penske, send another driver to wreck Carl or another Roush car....
rhamm :	(Yesterday, 05:54 PM) They need AGF to help them work on the reverse aero modeling.
Peyton_1816 :	(Yesterday, 05:53 PM) stupid
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:49 PM) @KevinHarvick huh! suprised by the penalty or lack there of.....
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:47 PM) @RobbyGordon: Just heard the news. I wonder what would of happened to me in that situation? Hmmm someone playing favorites?
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:46 PM) I can deal with no suspension after Mike's explanation of "the bigger issue is why the car got airborne", but no fines, no points, and no probation for the rest of the year is an absolute joke
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 05:45 PM) That's bullshit!!!!
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 05:41 PM) Probation for 3 races only...NASCAR is a fucking joke
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 05:11 PM) We'll find out soon. I predict it will be a fine and a loss of points. I can recall many intentional spins, but never a driver having to sit out the following weeks race in Winston Cup for having turned someone during the previous week's Winston Cup event. I suspect what happened to Kevin Harvick and Robby Gordon was because something like the loss of points when they're not regulars in the truck series or Busch series would be a fairly meaningless penalty. The only way to do real harm to deter them from considering repeating a similar action in the future was to sit them out of a race that does matter.
The Gasman :	(Yesterday, 04:48 AM) NASCAR Rulebook Section 24: Actions Detrimental to lame movies result in a 2 race suspension.
JTM :	(Yesterday, 04:37 AM) Did Cole Trickle get suspended when he left pit road and intentionally hit Russ Wheeler on his victory lap?
spamtastic :	(Yesterday, 04:28 AM) That shit isn't even ok in Online racing when nobodies health is even in consideration. Good way to get banned from racing altogether. The only people who would even think of defending Carl are only looking at the drivers instead of what actually happened.
spamtastic :	(Yesterday, 04:25 AM) What Carl did was worse than what Robby Gordon or Kevin Harvick did and they both got suspended. Carl will be lucky if he is only suspended for 1 race.
JTM :	(Yesterday, 03:59 AM) NASCAR is consistent at being inconsistent.
Rook :	(Yesterday, 03:43 AM) Nascar, consistent?
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 03:41 AM) Well, it might just boil down to 'now that we see how bad the result can be, we better begin penalizing appropriately.'
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 03:38 AM) We've seen just as poor decisions in the past, such as the driver that obviously turned someone on purpose and actually admitted to doing it because he needed a caution at the Winston a few years back. And it's not unique that a driver many laps down has came out and sought revenge with a blatent wreck. Sunday wasn't the first or the last time we've seen that.
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 03:36 AM) But hey, lets focus on the 1:21.1 lap at I ran at Laguna 15 minutes ago.
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 03:34 AM) It was poor decision that will be magnified for a few reasons: He was 160 laps down. It was with 5 to go. Keselowski was running 5th. It was the most blatant intentional wreck we've ever seen (hang a right on a straight that turns left). Car upside down due to high speeds. Admission in post race interview. All these reasons make it probably the worst thought out intentional wreck in the history of NASCAR. His brain must have stopped working because everything in the situation added up against him. Maybe Carl isn't as bright as I thought. The timing and conditions couldn't have been worse.
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 03:25 AM) You can't start now. He didn't do anything worse then we've seen many times before that have gone without a suspension. He was just the unlucky one that had the situation develop into something scarier than we typically see. He needs to be penalized for his decision, lack of judgement, and the possible consequences of the risk he took for himself and Keselowski. The actual results should be irrelvant besides illustrating the dangers he accepted when he made that decision which every driver that has ever turned someone at a fast speedway has accepted. He didn't do anything worse then dozens of others have, and we've seen them almost universally not be forced to sit out a race as punishment in the past. Can't start now just because the worst case scenario came closer to happening. If it's deserving of a suspension, NASCAR needs to come out and state that such a poor decision in the future will result in a suspension unlike in the past.
AdamB5000 :	(Yesterday, 03:21 AM) If he gets fined chump change then that sends a pretty clear message to other drivers: Wreck someone on purpose and get a slap on the wrist. It just so happens that the severity of the accident was much higher than Hamlin's deal last year. That's just life. Bark the loudest and more people notice.
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 03:19 AM) He shouldn't I think. NASCAR needs to be consistent. Edwards didn't take anymore of a unwise gamble then dozens of others have in the past such as Hamlin at Homestead last year. He shouldn't be penalized because the same poor decision making developed into something closer to the worst case scenario for the consequences of such a decision. Hamlin, Edwards, and dozens of others have made the same stupid decision in the past. Why should he be signled out?
Hoss Lanier :	(Yesterday, 03:12 AM) Nascar on Siruis has been unreal, there are people who think Carl should not get a suspension and have all kind of crazy things to say. sad...lol
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 02:26 AM) And I think most of the drivers feel like he's much too dangerous. Several have came out to express their lack of surprise that someone paid him back at Atlanta.
LeoAmes :	(Yesterday, 02:24 AM) I at least watch the highlights of each Busch race, if not the entire race. There's no shortage of examples of his history of wrecked sheet metal. Don't even have to go back far, look at what he did to Lagano late at Fontana for a very recent example. He takes someone out at nearly every race he's entered in.
JTM :	(Yesterday, 12:04 AM) I find it hilarious the guy can't pronounce the driver's names.
JTM :	(Yesterday, 12:03 AM) It was in the article about the race yesterday on ESPN. They had video of the race and did a flashback and implied BK caused the wreck at Dega. Also they say BK wrecked Carl in the race n lap 42, which watching the video, Carl came down on BK. Here's the video. http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=4974034
tj_177 :	(Yesterday, 12:00 AM) Which ESPN Show JTM?
AdamB5000 :	(08 March 2010 - 11:49 PM) Aight, shadow. So that's three more examples.... fu 8)
JTM :	(08 March 2010 - 11:30 PM) I liked how ESPN try to say last year's Dega wreck was BK's fault too when it was clearly obvious that Carl came down to block him and wrecked himself. Of course ESPN just showed the contact and not the whole block.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 11:29 PM) That was a racin' deal.
!-shadow... :	(08 March 2010 - 11:23 PM) 3:15 is the edwards spin...
!-shadow... :	(08 March 2010 - 11:21 PM) http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pNNrQek1rUg more keselowski examples
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 11:19 PM) Hamlin deserves to spun at every opportunity.
AdamB5000 :	(08 March 2010 - 11:15 PM) I haven't heard any other Keselowski examples other than Hamlin, Talladega and Atlanta, Leo.
rwheele :	(08 March 2010 - 09:27 PM) dicks
rwheele :	(08 March 2010 - 09:27 PM) Fuck Edwards and Hamlin. Both are
GreenBeret :	(08 March 2010 - 09:06 PM) Obama caused the wreck..
LeoAmes :	(08 March 2010 - 09:06 PM) Hit enter by mistake, but he's wrecking someone all the time. I didn't have things like Talladega in mind when I said that. Never thought that was his fault.
LeoAmes :	(08 March 2010 - 09:05 PM) "Other than that nothing really sticks out in my mind. "
The Gasman :	(08 March 2010 - 08:56 PM) Obama caused the wreck..
GreenBeret :	(08 March 2010 - 08:52 PM) You are wrong about Obama planning to jam health care down our throats. Those people standing behind Obama in the white coats are proctologists; you've got the point of entry wrong
AdamB5000 :	(08 March 2010 - 08:50 PM) That's just how I call my boys. Penske Teammate Kurt Busch won!
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 08:46 PM) Unless I missed him changing teams too.
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 08:46 PM) He drives for Roush.
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 08:46 PM) Not teammates.
rhamm :	(08 March 2010 - 08:44 PM) The dumbass did that to a teammate? Penske should fire him. I didn't realize they were teammates. You can tell how closely I follow NASCAR now.
AdamB5000 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:33 PM) I'm with Spam in that I like Carl. I always root for him, but yeah he does these things every now and then that makes it difficult to continue to cheer for him. Wrecking Penske Teammate Brad Keselowski didn't make it any easier for me to forgive him. Don't fuck with a Penske Teammate!
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 07:19 PM) Ok you got me, I rarely watch Nascar anymore because I have no idea what any of those 3 things are about.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:19 PM) Yeah, you could say I don't like Carl. He just comes across as fake to me.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:17 PM) And the incident with Harvick.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:17 PM) And the going into Juniors victory lane at Michigan. And the hitting Juniors car after the race at Michigan while Juniors hand was out the window.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:15 PM) Carl is a shithead as evidenced by his fake punch incident with Matt.
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 07:12 PM) It's disappointing because I always liked Carl for being a class act. After the interview where he saw the replay, I was so happy with the way he handled it. The rest was just wow.
AdamB5000 :	(08 March 2010 - 07:07 PM) I do find it mildly entertaining that all the referenced encounters between Carl and Brad are essentially Carl's fault and/or Carl admitted fault... yet Carl felt the need to pay him back. And I feel it's a little extreme to say that someone is bouncing off Brad's bumper every week, Leo. Carl was at fault at Dega, Carl was at fault at Atlanta and Brad got into Denny a couple times last year in the Nationwide series. Other than that nothing really sticks out in my mind.
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 06:46 PM) Carl thought he could have it his way?
rhamm :	(08 March 2010 - 06:44 PM) What does Burger King have to do with it?
spamtastic :	(08 March 2010 - 06:42 PM) I think he did it because he figured he would be seen as a bit of a hero in the garage due to the reputation of BK.
GoVols019 :	(08 March 2010 - 06:29 PM) 'Roids.

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